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Post by Kat Edorsson on May 21, 2013 12:42:04 GMT -5
First off, congrats to both of you! You both definitely deserve it and had I tried to predict the final two I'm not sure this is what I would of guessed so that's even more of an accomplishment. I know I came off as lazy, unsocial, and probably a horrible game player but that's neither here nor there. Because I was so busy when I played this game, and to be completely honest I shouldn't have even tried, I know nothing about the game that either of you played.
As far as I know this question wasn't asked in this specific way so my question to you is this:
What did you do better than the person you're sitting next to? It doesn't have to be major moves, it can be the simplest minor thing that you feel you did that makes you a better fit to be the winner. I'm not going to put a number of examples you have to give me, but the more you give me the more convincing it will seem.
Good luck to both of you!
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Post by Gina Crews on May 21, 2013 15:59:11 GMT -5
I'd like to think I had better Jury management. Pete had no qualms in hurting people, bullying, throwing insults, being arrogant and pissing people off...and still has no qualms in doing it in the finale. That's just not a smart thing to do in the game of Survivor, ESPECIALLY in the finale.
We played very different games, but they worked for us both. So IMO I think it should come down to what kind of winner do you want to represent this season. Someone who played aggressively with no care for people...or someone who played with finesse and tried being there for others.
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Post by Pete Yurkowski on May 21, 2013 16:41:32 GMT -5
What did you do better than the person you're sitting next to? It doesn't have to be major moves, it can be the simplest minor thing that you feel you did that makes you a better fit to be the winner. I'm not going to put a number of examples you have to give me, but the more you give me the more convincing it will seem.
She says I had no care for people, yea, really. If I had no care for her she would not even be here. Maybe I didn't start with the best opening that made me look arrogant, but in my opinion, that is getting into Gina's head and she's just getting worse than I was at the start. Okay, moving onto the question.
I think I did better than Gina because I played people's trust better than she did. I cemented strong bonds with people, bonds that made them trust me. Anyone can see that these bonds were strong enough to prevent my elimination, and information was coming right back to me. At least all the information that were essential for my game.
Gina did not have the same trust from everyone. She found herself in a final five of, of course, me and her, but also: Rob, who did not even trust her, with Stephanie, who wrote her name down, with Morgan, who only wanted her vote for the round and then vote her out the next one.
I have not once wanted Gina to leave the game. I wanted her with me in the end at all cost. Despite how her strange behavior almost made me vote for her in the final four, she's here, because I did all I could to take her and stay loyal.
Was she that loyal to me? Probably not. But that's what I'm talking about when I said I make sure her own decisions does not hurt my game. Voting me out would only have hindered her game. Vote me out in the final five? Yea, get yourself stuck with Stephanie and Rob. Vote me out in the final four? Yea, risk Stephanie to chop you at the last minute after winning the final immunity to take Morgan to the end because she would have a better chance winning. Take me out in final three? God, Me, Rob, Rafe, would probably have been locked down votes for Stephanie, and all it would take, with a good speech pulled by Stephanie, is two more. She had a better chance with me, but she just doesn't see that.
Had I voted out Gina in the final five, however, what would that have changed about my game, exactly? I had a solid three with Rob and Stephanie, and it looks like I would of had pulled it off in the final immunity challenge... I did not need Gina as much as she needed me.
Maybe that voting for Kat was good help from Gina, but ultimately, I had the last word. My standing in the game IMPROVED, while hers only went DOWN. And I think that's why I deserve to win over her.
Good luck with your vote, Kat. <3
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Post by Gina Crews on May 21, 2013 17:09:21 GMT -5
How am I in any way getting worse? I've not said a negative thing about any except maybe quips to you in response to the harsh things you've said to me. The only reason you've chilled out is because you realized it was costing you your chances. So you changed things up and started coming off as fake instead. I've been the same person I was on Day 1 and all throughout. I mean, look at your entire speech here. It's STILL all about me and not about you. You spend more time trying to point out MY flaws and how much I needed you (of which I don't agree with) than pointing out YOUR pros. Which given the question, is somewhat understandable...but you didn't give yourself any pros that were actually valid. If you focused more on your pros then I would never respond to your posts, but as you don't...I will in order to defend myself from your lies.
For instance. Playing on people's trust isn't a pro. You just acknowledged you went out of your way to hurt these people by using them and the bonds you made. That is not a pro and I will GLADLY say you did that better than me.
Who really trusted you, Pete? Morgan, Rob and Steph? Clearly Steph trusted me at the end stage, clearly Morgan trusted me when she needed to and believe it or not, Rob and I had several conversations about wanting to trust each other vs the difficulty in actually trusting each other. Everyone else saw you for who you were and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. The F5 I was in I CHOSE. You seem to forget that. Clearly I knew what I was doing and knew where the trust was or I would not have taken that risk. I didn't just slip into a bad situation or be dragged in by you. How about we jump to the others shall we? Who did Natalie trust more? Brenda? I seriously doubt Corinne or Kat trusted either of us as they had no reason to. I think we both fucked up when it came to Boo and Kat wasn't around enough to garner any trust there. The difference that places ME above YOU on this though? I didn't take the trust I was given and purposely shred it.
I'm here because I worked my ass off to get here. Just as you worked your ass off to get here. You seriously need to stop taking credit for things you are not responsible for. Nobody buys it and it just makes you look even more arrogant.
You think too highly of yourself and it's nice to know you think Rob & Rafe are so biased as to just hand Steph the win without any consideration for who played the better game. Or even that you think Rob & Steph would've been horrible challenge threats come the F3. I knew full well I had a better shot with you. Hence why I made the decisions I made. If I didn't know that...then I wouldn't have made those decisions and I wouldn't be here right now. Let me make this clear. I stayed loyal to you because it suited MY game and you had ZERO influence in those decision. Just as you stayed loyal to me because it suited YOUR game and I'm sure I had ZERO influence in your decisions as well. I did not NEED you for anything.
You did not have the last say in that. You just flat out lied. And how exactly did my game go down? *looks at my F2 seat* Pretty sure it only improved as well.
So PLEASE, I ask you as a competitor to just STOP the bashing and the lies. Focus on your pros and stop trying to tear me down. Not cool, man. Not cool.
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Post by Pete Yurkowski on May 21, 2013 17:22:16 GMT -5
For instance. Playing on people's trust isn't a pro. You just acknowledged you went out of your way to hurt these people by using them and the bonds you made. That is not a pro and I will GLADLY say you did that better than me.
I think this is more a question of ethic than a question of fact, girl. "Using people and HURT them", really? If they don't take it, it's just them. It's a freaking game and they have to realize that anybody could have done that to them, so YES it's a pro. Did you see Rob running around playing the baby? I completely costed his
game and I have yet to see any bitterness from him.
Who really trusted you, Pete? Morgan, Rob and Steph? Clearly Steph trusted me at the end stage
At the end of the stage, because she wanted you in the final three so she could beat the shit out of you.
clearly Morgan trusted me when she needed to and believe it or not
I underline the part that says "when she needed to."
Rob and I had several conversations about wanting to trust each other vs the difficulty in actually trusting each other.
Oh please... Rob never trusted you ONCE. He tried to get you out REPEATEDLY. He EVEN mentioned it in his thread when he said he wished he could of brought Natalie to get you out. Come on.
The F5 I was in I CHOSE. You seem to forget that.
Yes, you chose it, we both chose it. But that made me in a better standing than you were, and that's what I'm talking about. You were stuck in a loop where that had you voted me out anytime, you were finding yourself in hot waters, and had I voted you out that would not have changed a shit for me.
How about we jump to the others shall we? Who did Natalie trust more? Brenda?
They were gone. My whole point of why I should win over you is because ULTIMATELY, PETE had the last word as to where you stand in the game. My game IMPROVED by having these people go home, and your standing in the game went DOWN.
What credits did I buy? Tell me more about them. I told you facts, I was in a better STANDING than you were. That's not credits. Maybe you should read again.
I know I would have beaten Stephanie in a final three challenge, and maybe you should look back at the final immunity challenge results we had. And I believe Rafe and Rob would be biased because they were tight to Stephanie, and yes, they COULD of voted for you, but I honestly believe the chances were HIGHLY leaning towards voting Stephanie.
Then why did you say a few posts ago you would of taken Stephanie with you over me? Explain that.
Then, girl, you are completely delusional, because you have not read a shit of what I said.
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Post by Gina Crews on May 21, 2013 17:38:03 GMT -5
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Post by Pete Yurkowski on May 21, 2013 17:51:25 GMT -5
 What does Rob have to do with it? He was one of my besties in the game and I betrayed him. He has seen it as a game. I betrayed Morgan as well, she felt betrayed. You can call it a let's play with people's emotion all whatever you want, but let it be known that I've been looking out for you all game long, and you're just saying you would have taken Stephanie over me in the finales, that just shows your true colors. <3 You flip flop with deals just as much as I did. You can take that mask out of your face. Exactly, and that's what happened with Morgan. For the most part of the merge, I never guaranteed her a final two, only a final four... a final three eventually. And when Stephanie won immunity, I could not guarantee that anymore. I "abused" of her vote just as much as you abused of mine. Then what was the point of saying what you said exactly? What were you trying to prove?  It doesn't even matter whether it's a show or not, what you said is completely pointless and leads no where other than just reply to me for the heck of it. My point was I had their trust, and I have known how to keep them intact until no longer needed. Then I said about your game that people did not trust you the same way they trusted me. They were not looking out for you. And all you do is just confirm it. [quyote]You were in that same loop, Pete. lol Had I taken you out @f4 then that means I would've been working with Rob/Steph and would've either tried to help them take out Morgan next and fight for F2 or I would've convinced Morgan to help me tie it.[/quote] First, just the idea of going to the final four with Rob and Stephanie just shows how little you think ahead. And especially had Rob won immunity, you were completely dead. No, I was not in the same water. Let me take it back that day, final five. rob and Stephanie were voting for you. Say I vote for you, bye bye Gina. It is me, Stephanie, Rob and Morgan to the final four. Stephanie probably still would have won that same immunity. Morgan is out, I was closer to Rob, and we had our final three deal. Does not matter if Stephanie would have voted with her. Comes final three, I beat Stephanie, that has been proved, all I had left was to beat Rob. Who knows, I was very well started to pull at least a 18 hours and I stopped because there was no way anymore someone could beat me. So it's just a matter of would he really have let me win it or not. My whole POINT of why I should win over you, that I've been killing myself to explain and that you just keep going off subject, is that all the votes that happened, leaded me to be in a better standing than you were. Because I could of managed to continue that game without you, and I made a choice not. That's not a choice I was forced to do, looking at the facts that my bonds would of been strong enough to keep me around better than you would of handled it. I think it's very pointless that you keep going off subject on how I claim credits and how I hurted people's feelings, that had nothing to do with what I was pointing out and you just kept avoiding it and FINALLY decided to reply about it two posts later in just a small paragraph. I think you need to get over yourself as well, I'm just saying. |
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Post by Gina Crews on May 21, 2013 17:58:07 GMT -5
I'm honestly just not even going to read that. It's all bullshit lies and it's a waste of time to even bother at this point. Just hope the Jurors see you for what you are and see the lies for what they are. Good luck in the end, Pete.
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Post by Pete Yurkowski on May 21, 2013 17:59:56 GMT -5
That's okay. And I hope someday you will appreciate that I even considered working with you in this game and still stayed true to you even though you had most of the jury in the bag already. <3
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Post by Gina Crews on May 21, 2013 18:02:07 GMT -5
What, do you think it was some privilege or something Pete? Cause that's how you sound. The almighty Pete chose ME to work with! PRAISE JESUS! That what you're looking for?  Get over yourself. |
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Post by Pete Yurkowski on May 21, 2013 18:05:32 GMT -5
That's not what I said. At.All. You are putting words in my mouth. I said I hope you would one day stop being so self-centred, come to me and appreciate that I decided to work with you in this game despite your temper, our differences and despite the fact I've screwed you a million times over in the past. You call me chaotic, betrayer. Did I betray you? No. When I mean I hope some day you will appreciate that I've decided to stick with you no matter what, that's what I mean. I could of been colder, screw you over again and say haha, got you Bo, one more time. And I did not this time. I did not. But if you don't see it that way then you clearly are a sociopath.
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Post by Natalie Bolton on May 21, 2013 18:09:57 GMT -5
I could of been colder, screw you over again and say haha, got you Bo, one more time. Be grateful Gina that he decided not to be as much of a prick to you as he did others! |
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Post by Gina Crews on May 21, 2013 18:18:16 GMT -5
I'm not putting words in your mouth. You just told me TWICE I should appreciate that YOU chose to work with ME like it was a privilege. I haven't been the self-centered one here, Pete. You have. I've never had a temper. Don't mistake me arguing my views for having a temper.
Wouldn't this suggest YOU should be appreciative I worked with YOU since YOU were the one being deceptive time and time again? Since that would mean YOU were the untrustworthy one? How should I show gratitude that someone who has stabbed me in the back a million times chose to work with me again? o.O One time being loyal does not negate hundreds of knives in the back. Especially when the one time you're loyal you're a complete ass to me. Even more so when you did it all behind an alias, instead of as YOU.
I just don't see the logic in this. Am I appreciative you stayed loyal this time? Yes, but I'm not foolish enough to think it was for anything more than because it suited your game.
And you just couldn't go without insulting me again, could you? I should make a list of all the insults you've thrown my way.
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Post by Gina Crews on May 21, 2013 18:18:51 GMT -5
I could of been colder, screw you over again and say haha, got you Bo, one more time. Be grateful Gina that he decided not to be as much of a prick to you as he did others! He's working up to it. I was just called a sociopath afterall. |
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Post by Pete Yurkowski on May 21, 2013 18:24:36 GMT -5
No, I never told you that like it was a Privilege. There's two different things. First, it's my job to tell the jury why I deserve to win over you, and I'm not going to repeat the same things a million times over, I did already.
Yes, you have a temper, Gina. Everytime I say something to you, you take it the wrong way. Not just the tactless insults I've thrown your way tonight, but also everything. Everything I say to you, you turn it around and make me sound like I'm insulting you. Don't you remember one game where I voted for you and wrote on my vote "you consider my vote shit so I decided to turn it on you." You never took that, you went on your high horses right away on me and we've never spoken again in a year.
Glad to hear you're appreciative, but the post I did five minutes, I did not ask you to post it in here. I was talking about the after-game. The one moment when you can be humble and say thanks Pete, you never turned on me no matter what. I never would of thought that of you. Not in these words, in your own words. I'm not asking you to do this tonight, I wanted to go to the end of the game with you for reasons beyond this game, and I think you just don't see it.
And just look at your comment, "I was just called a sociopath." Did I really say that, or did you read carefully when I actually said?
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I agree, it's a game. But when you involve their emotions then it's no longer "just a game". Clearly you DID hurt people or have you not been paying attention? What does Rob have to do with it?
Get over yourself.