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Post by Boston Rob on May 20, 2013 21:09:13 GMT -5
Well first and foremost, Pete & Gina. Congratulations on final 2! You both played excellent games and showed that both strategies of UTR play and in your face play can both get you to the end if you play it right.
Pete you made great moves and really used our friendship for hidden agendas which I can't blame you for. It's a game and you played it.
Gina, I want to apologize because I said you played a UTR game and I find that boring. That's really until I understood HOW you really played it and in all honesty, you played a superb game. I WISH I could play the type of game you play, but paranoia and my mouth never permits that.
As of right now I am totally up in the air. I really thought I had this one easily made but based on your opening statements and answers to our other tribe mates answers I am genuinely 50/50 right now.
Here are my questions.
FOR PETE & GINA 1. Name some big moves you made in the game and why you felt it was a big move
2. What do you feel was your BIGGEST move in the game and why?
3. Can you list, from your point of view/opinion...what was EACH JURORs downfall to their game
4. If you could remove yourself and the other finalist what two jurors would you make finalist and who would win.....and why?
5. Rank every juror 1-9, 9 being greatest and why you ranked them that way.
6. As you all know I am pretty new to Survivor ORGs, being a vet what advice/suggestions can you give me for my 4th ORG next time?
TO PETE: 1. We had a pretty solid final 3 deal. I understood though Stephanie won immunity and I was the choice then. At any point did you even consider You, me, Stephanie and Gina in final 4 and we duke it out?
Because I figured that's how it was going to go, yes I would've taken Stephanie over you more then likely but I still would've wanted to duke it out. And I meant final 3 with you and Stephanie 1000%.
2. Why did you take Gina to final 2? Before you answer remember you've totally trashed her in this final tribal council lolz
3. At what point did you REALLY say to yourself Rob has to go, I mean really made up your mind?
TO GINA: 1. You've said a few dozen times that I lied alot in the game, can you give me examples just so I know we are on the same page. I did lie several times just curious to see exactly what you are talking about.
2. If you would've won the final 3 challenge who would've you taken to final 2 and why?
3. I've seen you play the in your face role in a different game and I even told you I was shocked to see this UTR from you. What made you decide to play this gameplay and when did you decide it?
Once again congratulations to you both and the best of luck to you both as well!
Thanks!
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Post by Amanda Kimmel on May 20, 2013 21:09:47 GMT -5
This just got posted when I posted... so bump.
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Post by Pete Yurkowski on May 20, 2013 21:21:56 GMT -5
The rest will come. TO PETE: 1. We had a pretty solid final 3 deal. I understood though Stephanie won immunity and I was the choice then. At any point did you even consider You, me, Stephanie and Gina in final 4 and we duke it out?I never would of wanted to sit with you and Stephanie in a final four together. I know that you two would be strong for a tie-breaker and that's why I absolutely wanted to split it up. I did not want to find myself third. That's what I thought. *Nods.* I've been trashing her, but... I think people take my words too seriously. The reason I brought Gina to the final 2? I know this is going to sound stupid and idiotic and could probably turn all the jury down from voting for me, but oh wait, who's voting for me anyways. Gina is somebody that over the past years I just kept screwing over a million times over, again and again and again. And when I saw her in the game, I just felt like this time no matter what happens, unless of course she ever ends up flipping on me, then I'm going to stay true to her and honor that. I "bashed" her a lot, but whatever, everything that comes out of my mouth always look nasty one way ... or another. If I lose in the finales, I prefered losing to her over losing to Stephanie. Sorry Stephanie. As soon as Stephanie told me that her secret "prize" was that she had a double immunity and that she would be safe the next tribal. I had a chat with Morgan the round before you go (The Natalie round), where the main point of the conversation was either we vote YOU out, or if you win immunity, then Gina goes. But I already knew you would not have immunity so I agreed, told Gina I would be "on same page as her for the next round", and I voted with them. edit: my paragraphs were all fucked up.
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Post by Pete Yurkowski on May 20, 2013 21:56:53 GMT -5
FOR PETE & GINA
1. Name some big moves you made in the game and why you felt it was a big move
* I think sticking with you was a good move, I think it did give me a pretty good ride and we had an amazing teamwork that I completely ruined. We were supposed to be, I'm saying "supposed" to be rivals, and we turned it around and worked together instead. And we both had to do that move for that.
* I think that voting for Boo was very beneficial for me, I felt like he was damaging my game and making big holes in my game. You, me and Stephanie could definitely have voted for Natalie, and let her go, but I prefered to push for Boo to go because I felt like had he stayed around he could of made more damage while by keeping Natalie, you and Steph would just vote for her the next round.
* Explaining the other one in the next question.
2. What do you feel was your BIGGEST move in the game and why?
* I feel like my biggest move in the game was to get rid of you. I felt like you and Stephanie were a strong pair that had to be split up, and that just took everything for me to do that. I had to use duplicity, and that was just yikes. I'm maybe a villain but a part of me just hate lying, and that's why by the end of the deadline I went to you and explained to you that you were going home and that I had voted for you. I just cracked.
3. Can you list, from your point of view/opinion...what was EACH JURORs downfall to their game
Corinne - not scrambling. Rafe - trusted too many people at once so told things to wrong people. Kat - Not developping enough bonds. Boo - Flipping too late... or too early. I think he just didn't have the right timing. Natalie - Just unlucky, in my opinion... Rob - not making people feel safe enough. Not once you told me you wanted me in the final two, and that's what made me figure you had Steph above me on your picking list. You didn't want to make a deal with Gina, she didn't like it. Morgan - It's getting old to say she shouldn't have trusted me, but... if she truly wanted me in the final two, the same way I wanted Gina in the final two, she should of had cut the right people in the right order: take out Rob, take out Gina, find a way to do both of it. That only would of had forced me to take her to the end.
4. If you could remove yourself and the other finalist what two jurors would you make finalist and who would win.....and why?
You and Morgan.. you were the two other people I was closer to, and take out me/Gina that's who I would have loved to see in finales. Who would I vote? Oh.. umm ouch.
Just like that, I probably would have voted for you because I plotted with you more than I did with Morgan, but we never know... I don't think I would be a biased jury had that happened.
5. Rank every juror 1-9, 9 being greatest and why you ranked them that way.
9 - Rob - I think you played a great game too. The teamwork me and you had, was just epic. And you had a close relationship with Rafe and Stephanie as well, you've known how to stick to your gut instincts and that's what helped you stay. 8 - Rafe - Did I really just rank a 10th place in 2nd place? Well. He was idol'd, but I think he had a lot of potential to be a danger in the game. He had a lot of strong deals with people, and if it wasn't for that idol, he would probably sit here today, and ... I would probably be in that jury with Gina. 7 - Morgan - I think people underestimated her. She definitely made things happen, she made mistakes, but one way or another, she made a lot of people feel like she was on their side, that includes me, that includes you, that includes the girls... At the start of the merge she was with Kat one of the two biggest targets and she found herself a way to avoid that. 6 - Stephanie - I think she played a clean game and always found a justification for everything she did. 5 - Brenda - I think the multiple deals she had could be smart, but at the same time, it is common knowledge that in survivor, people share notes and one day or another, that could have backfired. 4 - Natalie - she could of at least tried to find a crack but she didn't really play these cracks to the fullest. At least not from what I've seen. 3 - Boo - he sunk his own game while others didn't sink their own. 2 - Corinne - Everything she did was a fail. 1 - Kat - She didn't play that hard.. She could of done way better.
6. As you all know I am pretty new to Survivor ORGs, being a vet what advice/suggestions can you give me for my 4th ORG next time?
Probably... if you have the impression two people are together, USUALLY, they most likely are. How many times did you question me about Gina? I know you had a suspicion, but if you really wanted her out, and have me take you to the end, you should have had found a way to get her out, but without me!
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Post by Boston Rob on May 20, 2013 22:06:55 GMT -5
Just so you know...I tried many times to bring up Gina's name...Stephanie can attest to this. I wanted Gina out the round Natalie went home. I figured with Stephanie's vote and my fire crystal vs. You, Gina, Morgan and the deciding factor was Natalie. However I didn't know how to trust Natalie because she hated my guts and would've probably ran to Gina/Morgan. Thus Natalie went. I knew as long as Gina was in the game you had a extra route and I spoke about that in confessionals. Could I do it over I would've pushed for Gina's elimination even before Boo.
I felt like Gina was the biggest threat to my end game because you would take her over me.
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Post by Pete Yurkowski on May 20, 2013 22:10:40 GMT -5
Lol you remind me that night where I was paranoid you had voted for Gina and I questionned you so much and then you joked me after results and said "we voted Gina, I'm sorry <3". That was smart and that very well could have made me talk more than I should of had. But yeah well.. Maybe had you have... that one more "reliable person", that imaginary person that we had been talking about so many times, maybe that could of worked out for you. xD
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Post by Gina Crews on May 21, 2013 5:27:04 GMT -5
TO GINA:
My biggest example is the first time you and I sat down to have a genuine conversation. You spent like 10-20 minutes trying to convince me Pete was trying to have me voted out and if I'd help vote him out or do something about it. Then when I wouldn't cave you fessed up that it was just a lie to test my reactions so you could then tell me some truth about Natalie (I think it was her). That was a HORRIBLE first hello hun. xD You literally started our relationship in this game with a lie.
Then from then on every time I'd try and get some form of alliance with you to further my own game you'd give me these speeches about how you didn't have any allies and weren't wanting to create any. Which was just you lying so you didn't have to create something with ME. I knew you were lying cause I already knew of your deals with Boo, Steph & Pete. You'd literally have that chat with me like 3 more times too.
I would've taken Steph because I gave her my word that if she voted with me in the F4 to take Pete out (which later changed to voting Morgan) that I would take her to the finals with me if I were to win the final challenge. I only recall ever making 2 promises in this game; that being one...and when I make a promise, I stick to it.
I tend to play each game differently. Playing the same way every time makes for a very boring ORG career. I've been the bitch, the loud mouth, the shy person, the sweet heart, the nut job, etc. Each are genuinely ME...just a different aspect of me that I draw inspiration from.
Having just come off an ORG (Horror 13) where I was very in-your-face, I wanted to join a game where I could go the opposite route. Try and play a more relaxed style that wasn't as taxing as the previous. xD I chose this game cause I THOUGHT it was a normal set up, with no special twists or themes. Had I known it wasn't, I honestly would not have joined. That is a large reason why I just was not into this game in those first couple rounds. I accidentally signed up for a type of game I was not wanting to play. But I stuck around and tried my best in the challenges so not to bring any of my greens down. Then I got to chat more with people like Rafe and got more into the game. Then eventually I decided that the game may not be as calm as I had hoped, but just cause the game is nuts doesn't mean I have to be. So that's when I chose my strategy and went for it. So...all of this, within the first 2 rounds.
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Post by Gina Crews on May 21, 2013 6:09:27 GMT -5
FOR PETE & GINA
My biggest in terms of the grand scheme of things would by, IMO, the Kat vote. I was the deciding factor in which way that went and it decided the course of this game. Had I gone with Natalie/Crew (which if I'm being honest, was my original vote. I had actually changed my vote) then Steph would've gone home. I have no doubt in my mind that you guys could've pulled off an idol move in the next vote, but crystals were taken out of action shortly after and you would've simply been outnumbered at that point. I think Natalie would be sitting here next to Morgan, Boo or Kat. It was a big move because it decided the course this game was taking and had I gone with my original vote, this game would've been 100% different.
There are a lot of contributing factors in why someone leaves a game. Especially if you take into consideration everyone's individual plans. So with that in mind, here's everyone's downfall from my own perspective.
Corinne; she was simply too exposed, which made her an easy target. Rafe; shifting his trust incorrectly; not trusting those he should've & trusting those he shouldn't. Brenda; my fuck up. Kat; least threatening, which made her an unpredictable target. Boo; his inability to just keep his emotions in check, which caused him to become temporarily unstable. Natalie; simply being a threat & not having numbers. Rob; focusing on the wrong threat. Morgan; putting too much faith/trust in Pete. Steph; I assume cause Pete saw her as being a bigger threat than I in finale.
Brenda & Natalie. They're the only 2 Jurors whose demise I feel was not their own doing. Brenda did nothing wrong in her game. She left because I fucked up. Natalie didn't do anything wrong to cause her vote off either. She left cause she just didn't have the numbers. Everyone else did something in this game that cost themselves. As for who would win, my gut says Natalie would. Brenda seems to have made more enemies and everyone seems to feel her social game was spread too thin. So I think it would've been an uphill battle for her against Natalie.
1) Brenda; she didn't make any mistakes in this game. Yes, she was thinning herself out...but it was working for her. The only reason she's gone is because I fucked it up for her, costing her the game. 2) Rafe; easily one of the biggest competitors in the season & had it all; strength, social, intelligence, bravery, etc. 3) Natalie; such an amazing competitor and person, but she kind of got lost after Brenda left and couldn't recover. 4) Rob; you closed too many doors and gave too much trust in Pete, but you were strategic, smart and you fought hard. 5) Corinne; she was a genuine threat in this game, but had a moment where she was exposed and people took advantage. 6) Steph; she was too hidden behind you. She didn't shine for me in this game until you left and she became her own. 7) Boo; he played this game emotionally and when you let personal feelings get in the way you open yourself up to weakness. 8) Morgan; she let blind faith AND personal emotions run her game. 9) Kat; she just wasn't around enough. Stinks too cause I've heard nothing but good things about her.
Never assume ANYTHING and be ready to adapt at the drop of a hat.
When I say never assume, I mean...never assume information someone gives you is the truth (find out for yourself if it is), never assume your allies will have your back (remember that they are playing for THEM to win, not for you), never assume you have control, never assume you are safe, never assume you won't need that extra ally that comes to you and never assume others will play by your standards. Fact is, everyone is different and NOBODY will play with YOUR standards. That is one of the best things you can learn in ORGs.
And as for adapting, it's hard cause if you want to adapt you have to keep doors open. Making an enemy out of someone, turning someone away or refusing to ever vote someone out...is closing a door, which will only make adapting to a shift in the game harder on you. So keep those doors open by being humble, accepting new allies and ALWAYS be willing to vote EVERYONE out. Not saying you should make it public or jump on the gun. Just that you should be willing to do so if and when.
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